tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651929334667459744.post5742130968823210084..comments2023-06-11T15:30:14.995+01:00Comments on Everyone's Favourite Comrade: The importance of listeningEFComradehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03448737785635608861noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651929334667459744.post-82045416264211625372010-02-21T13:48:04.244+00:002010-02-21T13:48:04.244+00:00I have said there are certain exceptions like McDo...I have said there are certain exceptions like McDonnell. If you were to actually read the post though you would realise that I am not making sectarian moves away from the working class at all.<br /><br />I suggest you look at reality a bit closerEFComradehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03448737785635608861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651929334667459744.post-60652183802904096522010-02-21T13:21:55.903+00:002010-02-21T13:21:55.903+00:00i think it's ultra-left to dismiss tactical vo...i think it's ultra-left to dismiss tactical votes for labour. people like john mcdonnell are solidly on the left, whatever the SP think. <br /><br />marx said that the communist does not set up sectarian ideals seperate from the mass of the workers. where is the bulk of the organised working class in britain today? in labour and the unions it relies on or outside in various small groupings like the SP?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651929334667459744.post-72240005571224149702010-02-17T00:09:32.652+00:002010-02-17T00:09:32.652+00:00so we agitate for the creation of such a challenge...so we agitate for the creation of such a challenge in the future rather than submitting to lesser evilismEFComradehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03448737785635608861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651929334667459744.post-42565611552258492092010-02-16T14:25:24.267+00:002010-02-16T14:25:24.267+00:00But to be *practical* about it Ed ,If you were in ...But to be *practical* about it Ed ,If you were in my position would you want a Labour MP on the left who was opposed to the Iraq war or doesn't it matter if I end up with a tory MP ? <br />What if I had an issue I wanted my MP to take up ? I'd think I'd prefer a Labour MP to a Tory in that situation .<br /> We're coming from two different positions. I see the choice of who to vote for as a tactical question while you seem to see it as a matter of great principle . You might have a point if there was a credible left alternative standing in every seat to challenge Labour but there isn't .<br /> We have to start from where we are rather than where we'd like to be .robhttp://socialistworker.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651929334667459744.post-85685335631997652132010-02-16T13:24:56.951+00:002010-02-16T13:24:56.951+00:00I think there is a difference between understandin...I think there is a difference between understanding why a lot of people still vote Labour, and calling, as organised socialists, for people to do so.<br /><br />The fact that many workers are voting Labour doesn't make it any more correct to call for a Labour vote, because those votes are not indicative of any further engagement with the Labour Party on the part of the working class. Nor can they be with Labour's current structures.<br /><br />They are simply Labour votes as a "lesser evil", and socialism has never been about lesser evilism.EddMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11143058782179022200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651929334667459744.post-89599747500302540982010-02-16T12:45:28.862+00:002010-02-16T12:45:28.862+00:00Shoot me now , I'm voting Labour . Well I'...Shoot me now , I'm voting Labour . Well I'm voting for Julie Morgan the MP in Cardiff North . It's a marginal and the last thing I want is a Tory MP . Julie's not to bad as Labour MP's go and she was opposed to the Iraq war. In the present situation it's probably best to take each constituency on a case by case basis voting for the left and hopefully working class candidates whether thats Plaid in the Rhonnda , Respect in Tower Hamlets , TUSC in Cardiff Central or even Labour MP's like Jeremy Corbyn ,John McDonnel or Diane Abbot.<br /> It's worth remembering that the Tories in government devestated South Wales and are cordially detested round here so a Labour Party vote against the Tories could be seen as a working class vote . <br /> This is not to ignore the crimes of New Labour. Remember the 1945 LP government pursued imperialist wars in Korea and Malaya , used troops to break strikes and gave the UK nuclear weapons . Yet you wouldn't have called for no vote for the Atlee government , would you ?<br /> Another small thing is that there are actually some left labour MPs . Would it be better for the LP to be in government so those MPs could at least try to have some influence on government .<br /> Another thing , I think the question of who to vote for should be a tactical question not a matter of great principal . Parliament and elections are only a small part of the struggle . Most of the real battles are going to take place outside parliamentary politics.robhttp://socialistworker.co.uknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651929334667459744.post-81781865328782722372010-02-15T23:15:33.747+00:002010-02-15T23:15:33.747+00:00I don't think i said old labour was great at a...I don't think i said old labour was great at alEFComradehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03448737785635608861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4651929334667459744.post-88113066243018348792010-02-15T23:00:47.124+00:002010-02-15T23:00:47.124+00:00good post
I disagree with the old labour was great...good post<br />I disagree with the old labour was great angle<br />but it is very accurate<br /><br />if these wankers lived on an estate, or actually talked to low paid or the unemployed, or workers on strike etc they be fucked with this vote LP shitMichael Moranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16480865556221247687noreply@blogger.com